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Post by tisme on Feb 3, 2015 16:32:17 GMT
As above but must not be expanding. .458 300-410 grain. Round nose to go in my Marlin 450. If you don't have them do you know anyone that manufacturers them?
Ta
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Post by c18rch on Feb 3, 2015 17:51:10 GMT
Cast performance. They are available from Midway UK and are gas checked. I am ordering some for a customer from Reloading International in the next week or so. I believe they will cost £44/50 which isn't far off the Midway price but I wouldn't deal with Midway UK if they wre the last firearms dealer on the planet.
I would be happy to tag them onto my order.
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Post by swampdonkey on Feb 3, 2015 21:21:28 GMT
As above but must not be expanding. .458 300-410 grain. Round nose to go in my Marlin 450. If you don't have them do you know anyone that manufacturers them? Ta You can have flat nosed bullets as it's a tubular magazine. Even exposed lead tip, flat nose jacketed. |
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Post by tisme on Feb 4, 2015 9:06:30 GMT
Cast performance. They are available from Midway UK and are gas checked. I am ordering some for a customer from Reloading International in the next week or so. I believe they will cost £44/50 which isn't far off the Midway price but I wouldn't deal with Midway UK if they wre the last firearms dealer on the planet. I would be happy to tag them onto my order. That sounds good. Just a couple of questions Does gas check mean I can load these t he same as fmj ? Is that price for 50 or 100? What weight are they? Thanks |
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Post by tisme on Feb 4, 2015 9:09:27 GMT
As above but must not be expanding. .458 300-410 grain. Round nose to go in my Marlin 450. If you don't have them do you know anyone that manufacturers them? Ta You can have flat nosed bullets as it's a tubular magazine. Even exposed lead tip, flat nose jacketed. That's what I'm trying to find but they all say soft point on the box so expanding and my fac does not allow that. If you know of a make that doesn't it would be good |
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Post by c18rch on Feb 4, 2015 9:20:48 GMT
Gas checked is a copper disk on the base of a lead bullet. It helps to check the gas.  They are lead bullets so, no, you would have to use a load for lead. Bullet weights vary 300gr-460gr. Having read the question and discussion, if you don't mind FMJ RN, Hornady do them. I can get 350gr at £37/50 or 500gr at £45/50. Yeah, I don't know why, but .458's seem to come in 50's. |
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Post by tisme on Feb 4, 2015 10:38:14 GMT
Gas checked will be no good then as shooting out to 500 yards. Hornady web site says all their 350 gr bullets are expanding!
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Post by c18rch on Feb 4, 2015 12:05:57 GMT
Hannams doesn't describe them as expanding but yes, it would appear they are. The only other thing I might be able to get is ACE 230gr FMJ, but they are sold by the 1000 and are £134. Not sure if they are expanding and it isn't clear if they are .45 or .458 either. I'll have to give them a call. Theres not much in the way of jacketed non expanding .458 bullets.
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Post by swampdonkey on Feb 4, 2015 12:20:09 GMT
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Post by tisme on Feb 4, 2015 17:42:52 GMT
Thanks Pete not sure if that means I can use expanding or round nose are not expanding! We have an inspection next Monday so i think I'll ask the question.
Clear Rich for the effort to source some.
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Post by tisme on Feb 9, 2015 15:24:21 GMT
Inspection been and gone all ok apart from the exemption above. Their interpretation says I can't use any expanding ammo that is designed to expand but can use round nose that might expand but not designed to.
450 Marlin going up for sale if anyone's interested.
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Post by tisme on Feb 10, 2015 11:05:04 GMT
After a call to BASC they say I can use the Hornady ammo and a local shop has them and is happy to put on my FAC  ) |
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Post by c18rch on Feb 10, 2015 11:14:40 GMT
Useful to know.
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Post by tisme on Feb 10, 2015 16:15:50 GMT
After another call, 3.21 is ref rounds or ammunition, section 3.22 is bullets or missiles. So 3.21 says you can buy ammunition that has an expanding missile for a tube mag rifle but 3.22 says you cannot buy bullets for the same to make your self.
3.21
Category (xv) refers to ammunition incorporating a projectile that is designed or adapted
to expand in a controlled manner. It is the kind of ammunition used in deerstalking and
vermin control because it is more likely than non-expanding ammunition to ensure a quick
and humane kill. Semi-jacketed soft point and hollow point are typical forms of expanding
ammunition, but care must be taken to distinguish between match target hollow point
ammunition, which has a tiny hole at the front for manufacturing purposes, and true hollow
point. Match hollow point rounds which are not designed to expand upon impact, such
as the Sierra Match King and the Hornady A-Max, are not prohibited. Flat-nosed bullets,
which are designed to prevent a magazine explosion caused, by a pointed bullet resting on
the primer of the cartridge ahead of it when the ammunition is used in a tubular magazine
are also not prohibited. All bullets will distort on impact, but only those which were
designed or adapted to do so in a predictable manner fit this category.
3.22
Category (xvi) extends the prohibition on the various types of prohibited ammunition to the
actual bullet or missile itself, not just the complete round of ammunition (a complete round
consists of the bullet, the cartridge case, the propellant and the primer). Certain categories
of shooter such as deerstalkers and vermin controllers are exempt from the requirement
to obtain the authority of the Secretary of State to possess expanding ammunition (see
Chapter 4) and will have the appropriate condition entered on their firearm certificate (see
Appendix 3). There is no need for the bullets to be listed separately on the certificate, other
than in the circumstances described below.
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